I am planning to grow some auto’s and was wondering if I could get some advice. I was going to use 7 gallon radicle bags under 3 spectrum king 100 cc. If I use the pro mix hp. Could I get away with just adding worm castings and some recharge, or should I mix in a bag of ocean forest? Should I add other nutrients? I have the general organics go box. Should I use that as well?
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Ocean forest seems to be a high nitrogen hot soil beware with the delicate autos. Im not familiar with pro mix but I think there should be someone here with experience or possibly by searching grower questions. Worm casting and recharge sounds great. As long as the promix has enough aeration that should be a good start. Possibly some compost teas or a liquid organic fertilizer like bio bizz would be your “meat and potatoes”. The start is yield limiting in autos just a caution running autos with a new setup. Just curious as to your choice of why autos. Stay irie
I was just looking for something that would finish a bit faster. So if I have worm castings and recharge there shouldn’t be any need for added nutrients because the microbes will be supplying what the plant needs? Ph isn’t that big a deal recharge either since the microbes deliver food to the roots? Trying to learn about these things is a bit confusing. So much information out there.
Ph is not necessarily an issue if an established microbe community are working and being supplied the material they need to do their jobs. Obviously everything has a limit and too low of a ph can be a real issue with pathogenic microbes. Not all worm casting is created equal first of all and mostly a source of nitrogen and microbes. The word source is critical. There has to be a source of nutrients for microbes to liberate and feed on. Pro mix is mostly peat moss and perlite with lime for ph buffer and source of calcium. So your going to need some other sources of nutrients especially in flower. If you have the organic bottles than use them up. If you look at build a soil or kis organics they have the amendments or sources that can be combined for a complete healthy soil. After a few cycles you use and remove those sources of nutrients and reammending is necessary. Honestly if you want a faster crop run more seeds and flip sooner sea of green. Sounds like autos have been bought and will provide, I have grown at least 20 autos. That has convinced me to go only photo lol but to each their own. Stay irie
Hey thanks for the info. I have not bought anything yet. Trying to research first. I have had a couple small successes with photos in worm castings mixed with jiffy soil while learning but recently moved and had some big fails with clones that I bought. Went cheap on soil and did not have anything to control heat or humidity. Ended up with fungus gnats and dead plants. Couldn’t even get peppers or marigolds to grow in that soil. So I’m resetting getting room right and trying to decide what soil will work best without spending a fortune.
Heard that hopefully someone can recommend a good mix that can work with just watering and microbes.
Worm castings only provide a tiny bit of nutrition, they are more a source of beneficial microbes. Same with Recharge. Both are wonderful things to add in your garden, but neither is a complete source of food for your plants.
The first thing you need to figure out is what style of growing you want to do. Once you pick a system, you generally want to stick to methods and products intended for that style of growing. Regardless of what you choose, you will need both a grow medium, and a source of nutrition.
Heres a few examples of grow styles you could choose:
-You could do what you described with pro mix and castings as your media, but you would still need a source of nutrition. If you already have one of those “GO Boxes” you could use those liquid fertilizers as your main source of food. or you could pick up some better quality liquid nutrients like some bio bizz or new mil to use instead. I think this is pretty similar to the Dude’s style of growing.
-You mentioned fox farms soils… they are designed to be used along with some bottled nutrients. It has some nutrition to get your plant started, but not enough to last all the way through flower. The idea is that you start out with the plants getting their food from the soil and then when that food runs out you start using liquid nutrients.
-You could do an organic living soil grow, where the soil is both the media and the main source of food. This would mean starting with a compost rich and balanced soil mix, like one of the living soil mixes from build a soil, or making your own soil by following a similar recipe. In this style of growing the soil feeds your plant, so you mainly just add water and microbes, and maybe do some minor supplemental topdressing with organic amendments like kelp or crab meal if needed. You can also re-use this soil for multiple grows by topdressing more nutrition back into your pots after you harvest. This is how I like to grow.
So yeah… pick a grow style that sounds like it suits you, and then we can help you figure out what you need to get to make it happen. We have folks here in the crew using all kinds of different growing methods, including several I didnt even mention. So figure out what style sounds enjoyable to you, and then hit us up, because the DGC has folks that can help you master whatever method you choose!
I started with the GoBox and even bought more of the veg nutes which I’m using up to faze them out. I use Bio Bizz for flower now.
The GO nutes have a bad rap mainly because of the company itself. I have had good success with them, however.
I never had to PH the solution and I really like the Bio Marine and Bio Weed. One thing I can tell you for sure is the recommended dosage on the box is wayyyy too much. When my plants have a full root zone I’m at 50% or less of that for the base nutes and more like 30% for the additives and at 20% or less of the CaMg for the whole grow (in soil). The only other products I used with this line is Recharge and Dyna-Gro Pro-Tekd (potassium silicate)
After adding everything from the GoBox you can expect a drop in PH to around 5. When I mixed the Pro-Tekt first the PH went to 9 then the GO nutes dropped to around ph6.
I’ve used both ways with no difference in soil PH. My soil is FF Happy Frog and Light Warrior (50/50) with added perlite.
So, if you choose to use the GoBox bottles, that info should keep you from burning your plants.
I should add, especially since you want to run Autos…the soil I use feeds my plants for the first month. So I’m not mixing nutes until about week 5 from seed.
^^^ great GO box tips from not a meme guy ^^^
I agree the GO box nutes are actually decent for what they are. my dislike is more about the company that makes them than those specific products.
I dont’ recomend buying any more stuff from GH or “general organics” if you can avoid it, but if you’ve already got a box with a full nutrient line up you might as well use it up!
And then you can switch to bio bizz when they run out and you’ll be like “wow!” 🙂
Thanks soup!
Another thing with Bio Bizz is they are much more concentrated and their dosage guide is accurate!
Thanks for all the great info. I like the idea of organic living soil but I think I’ll use up that box of nutes I have. With the pro mix and worm castings. If I do go that way, should I feed nutes and recharge when transplanting from my starter cups into 7 gal radicle bags? Should I go from starter cups to 3 gal. To 7 gal?
I like the accurate dosage part of bio buzz. Being fairly new at this it’s pretty difficult to figure out how much to feed on my own. Thanks again everyone.
I’m not familiar with the nutrition in the ProMix. If it’s inert then you’ll have to add nutes, otherwise probably not for at least a week.
I like going from cup-1gl-3gl for veg then to 7gl a week before the flip. I don’t like having to be too careful with saturating enough soil in a large pot with a small plant. Plus transplanting gives me a chance to check the roots and add bacteria and inoculates directly to the roots.
That’s just my way though. It works for my space and style, but you can surely go with less transplanting and have success.
What kind of bacteria and inoculates do you add. Do you just spray them with recharge or do you use something like mykos?
Glomus intraradices and rhizophagus irregularis are the same thing different naming but are in recharge. Mychorrhizae associated with cannabis and most other plants as well. There are other products like great white, soil balance, and many others that have similar or more targeted. Recharge is a good all around innoculant. There are nitrogen fixing, phosphorus liberating, other nutrient cycling, and more defense/bodyguard type microbes. All which can be bought separately from other companies and i believe like most other inoculants that recharge can just be sprinkled in powder form on roots. Stay irie
That’s good to know. Learned a lot today. Glad the dgc is out there willing to pass on knowledge.