Hi Dude and Scotty and Guru, I just recently joined the show and Ive been growing steady for about three years. There’s been a learning curve as with anything new, but now I’m running good medicine that keeps me and some friends well supplied. Im in NY where Rec has gone legal and I’m going to be happy to come out of the shadows a bit.
I’m really enjoying the show and looking the great info you guys are sharing.
I got my little sample pack with the feeebie seeds from SHN and I ordered a few more choice cultivars from Humboldt seeds and I’ll be running em all in the fall.
I just had two plants sharing a tent were both hermied on me. And I’m wondering if the seeds are viable. Most seeds I have found in Bag weed and even dispensary weed have turned out to be all females.
Are the seeds all female since there wasn’t a male?. Are they all predetermined to hermie as the mother did. And, are they now crosses or do you think they hermied on their own and are duplicates of the Moms?
Should I just get rid of em or is it worth running them to see if there’s anything interesting?
Thanks for your time and please keep up the great work!!
Vinman1
Yes, a plant pollinated by a herm female, will give female offspring for the reason you mention, no male DNA in the equation.
You know they certainly have the potential to herm. In some cases where the herm is everywhere, I would say to save your time if you have other options. But if it was a few herms here and there, maybe give it a go if you really enjoyed the strain or don’t have other options. Genetics could be making it show herm tendencies very easily or it could have been an environmental factor like light leak or heavy nitrogen ect.
Congrats on the legalization in NY and you have some fire genetics in store for you in the fall.
They grew out fine. Dank nugz no signs of herm, tho after an ounce of weed each of mine I found one solo seed.
I gave out 6 to friends with the understanding they may herm and need to watched carefully. They all turned out great with no signs of hermie’s.
Thanks for your comment. I appreciate all your work for the community. Big props to ya!!
I would toss those seeds. Seeds are easy to get and relatively affordable. Odds are, those seeds will grow plants that will also germ and you’ll be picking seeds outta your buds next time. Just toss them and try those Humboldt seeds. Be choosy about the genetics you run and experiment with some top tier genetics and leave the bag seed alone – at least the stuff that you KNOW has a tendency to herm. IF you get herms with some Humboldt seeds (or anything better) it’s time to start looking at your environment and practices; because, as Chad pointed out, environmental factors can exacerbate or directly cause a plant to herm. That said, an extremely stable genetic can be horribly mistreated and never herm. So, genetics really matter. Good luck with those Humboldt seeds – they’re a solid brand.
Hope this helps!
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Thanks for the reply. And thanks for the congrats on legalization. Been Moking since I was 14 and its the only thing that keeps me gorunded. In NYC you need to be grounded bro!! So now at 56 and having been even to Amsterdam, I think I know good meds when I see it and smoke it.
So to set it straight, it wasn’t a bag seed, They were a TH seed and Ethos seed. It’s the first time it has happened in my setup over 3 years of growing. I’m leaning towards a light leak. The plants were topped 3 times and defoliated heavily in week 3 of Flower. They’re in FF with 25% more perlite added. I’m running Jacks 321 as directed, and added Tribus to every watering. I may have over did it with a 0-10-10 fish fertilizer that adds color to plants.
Environmentally, I ran the tent room at 66 at night. I have a dehumidifier set at 40% during flower which is low but I have had a PM problem before, so I’ve been keeping it low.
The 2×4 tent runs a 260xl QB from HLG and has a 80 temp during lights on.
So I haven’t tossed em yet and I’m curing the herb now. Early tests are not bad as far as effects, taste and smell arent there yet either since it’s been less than 2 weeks since bottling.
I sprouted a few from each plant and I’m running em outside now and in a month, I’ll flip em and see what they show. As I mentioned, I’ve had quality bud have a seed pop out of a bud and ran em. They were some of my best plants and kick myself for not keeping Mom’s. An LA Cake that I can’t find anywhere in seed or clone form near me. And a Pineapplle Express that was some of the best smoke I’ve had and was an exact copy of the bud it came from.
So I’m thinking light leak since the tent has a few years on it now and I do use the room the tents in when lights are put in the tent at times.
I’ll keep ya posted on how they turn out. I also wonder if they’re may have been any crossing going on???
I suppose I’ll be the one to give an unpopular opinion. I had a similar question…. And the overwhelming response was to toss the seeds.
https://www.dudegrows.com/opinions-on-some-hermie-seeds/
Well, I didn’t toss them and instead I planted a bunch of them outdoors. Here we are about 85-90 days later and I’m getting ready to chop down 2 beautiful plants that are much bigger and healthier looking than when I was growing them under LEDs. No herm traits on either of them anywhere from what I can see. So to answer one of your questions…. No… just because mother was a herm, does not mean the seeds WILL herm… I’ve got 2 plants right now that prove this. HOWEVER, the seeds WILL have the same predisposition to herm, so I think its important to know why (light leak vs over watering vs heat stress vs something else) so you can correct the issue.
In my case, the plants that seeded themselves were clearly overwatered early in veg and they were stunted. If you can’t correct the issue (or if there was no trigger to cause them to herm) then you might end up just repeating history.
I’m glad I kept the seeds… I have more than enough to last a lifetime and the flower these seeds produce is fire (IMO). My suggestion would be to keep the seeds and plant them as testers. With that said, time is money… if every tester I planted turned out to be a herm, then I would eventually just toss the beans… but you won’t know unless you try.
#growerslove
All cannabis will herm if put in the right “wrong” conditions. Environmental and other issues are often to blame for plants going herm, rather than genetics. We as growers will often not recognize that the enviromental conditions we provide put the plant in survival mode. I have ran seeds from my own “ruined” garden in seperate area and all were female with no herm issues, which made me realize that I had to reevaluate conditions in the room I had the herm happen originally.
Thanks for the info..As I mentioned before, they re from good breeders IMHO. So it’s prob environmental/light leak. I’m running a half dozen to see what comes of it (they all popped)
I’ll flip em all in a month or so and give an update. At worst they’ll all herm and I’ll throw away what seeds I got. At best they’re exactly like the moms and will give me some great herb for years to come. Luckily I have plenty of meds to go thru and plenty of plants going too, so, if the Moms are brick weed, I’ll still be good stashwise, till my next round, with the loss of the moms.
Who knows what lies beneath unless you dive in and find out.
I have a pair of Gelato autos, a Cheese auto and GG4 auto going now in flower and a Vader OG photo about 3 weeks from harvest too.
As an update my man…they were all fine.. i will say, so far crumbling up buds to smoke has produced one seed from each plant.. they’re maybe more, but I haven’t found em yet.
I also gave out a few seedlings to friends who grew them to great success this year. Close inspection of all of them showed no signs of hermin’ and they’re all healthy and harvested now. Time will tell if they find seeds, but any tester buds I pinched were clean. I think Chad had it right on the Nitrogen overfeeding. I hit em with fishguts at the same time in flower and things changed after that.
I only make babies with things I want more of
On average, 60% to 40% will herm. The remaining seeds will be roughly spilt female/ male. Roughly a quarter of them should be female if you are lucky. My cultivar with the highest efficacy was created by combing two F1 lines, that were created through hermaphoditism.
That’s awesome that you got something special out of it. That’s the reason I don’t want to just throw these away without running a few and seeing what happens. I’m not gonna veg them long at all. No topping no training, just 4 weeks of veg and a flip and see what happens.
Got plenty going on so a few more in an isolated area is worth experimenting to me.
Thanks for your input buddy.
You only have a limited time on this planet, don’t spend it rolling the dice on sketchy seeds.
You deserve better
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Tell me about it. Currently trying seeds I bought from a long time breeder in England and the first ten beans produced one seedling. I don’t want to use the name until I try the next ten I got from them. If those are shit I will give them a chance to make it right before I blast them here. If these next seeds are equally non-viable and they fail to compensate you can bet I will be warning the DGC about them. I have good seeds from two breeders at seeds here now that I know will likely take right off. I will happily run them next. I do have one “Gary Peyton “ seed from a local grow source here in the SF Bay Area. Supposedly it is some fire. All will give me great weed for sure but I want to breed. I want older varieties so I can start at the drawing board so to speak. I don’t want to take a poly hybrid and cross with another poly hybrid that have several previous crosses of other peoples work. The plan is to enjoy some of the highs and flavors I did in the past and maybe even isolate some terp profiles specific to the medical needs of myself, friends and family. Hopefully I can cross stuff closer to land race origin or hybrid of two land races. It may not produce what I hope as the breeders out there know already. There will be a lot of genetic sifting and work. Hopefully our local labs open up so I will have testing availability. So all that blah blah blah, and in the hopes that you read this response , do you know any breeders preserving older genetics Soup?
That’s awesome that you got something special out of it. That’s the reason I don’t want to just throw these away without running a few and seeing what happens. I’m not gonna veg them long at all. No topping no training, just 4 weeks of veg and a flip and see what happens.
Got plenty going on so a few more in an isolated area is worth experimenting to me.
Thanks for your input buddy.